Acura TL no start with 3x lock

Question

2010 Acura TL PTS doesn't start with 3x lock. I see the module going from red to red and blue but doesn't start.

I have a LED status light hooked up to my remote start and it isn't on or blinking at all. So I'm thinking it's an issue on the remote start side? Not sure where to start. I've programmed the evo successfully multiple times.

Answer 1

we do not monitor the oem remotes on this vehicle (at least it's not listed as a compatible feature), and the EVO-ALL cannot be used as a stand alone remote starter in this vehicle (i see that you currently have the option on).

You can find the EVO-ALL last tested compatible features for the 2010 TL Push: https://fortin.ca/en/vehicles/acura/tl/2010-push-to-start/

 

If the remote starter you have says it can function off the oem remote, it would have an analog trigger wire that you would need to connect to the vehicles lock wires. You would also want to disable option D1 and C1 as they are not compatible with this vehicle.

 

Note: OEM remote monitoring was not an available feature of the evo-all in 2010. It is possible that the evo-all can monitor the oem remotes through can-bus. If it does, the blue led on the evo-all will flash once on every lock press and twice on unlock press. If it does function, leave option C1 enable, and if the remote starter accepts it through datalink, you would be able to do 3xlock start without having to connect any analog wire as mentionned in the the previous paragraph.

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Thank you for the information!

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So after reading what you said I looked at the EVO-ALL documentation for this car and it doesn't show a wire coming from the remote starter to a lock wire. Are you saying if I connect the wires like the diagram shows, it may not be enough?

https://fortin.ca/download/25491/evo-all_acuratl11push_e20141217.pdf

Thanks for you help.

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The diagram is for basic connections required for remote starting the vehicle from aftermarket remotes. If you have aftermarket remotes, the car would start right away following the guide you linked.

 

Starting from the factory remote would need to be an available feature for the remote start system. The remote starting installation guide (for whichever remote start brand you are using right now) will be needed to first see if it supports having an external trigger so that you can do 3xlock start. If it has the oem start feature, there will be a wire named something to the effect of "External Trigger" or "programmable external trigger". There would also be a programmable feature to set the amount of pulses (3 pulses in this case).

 

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The remote starter does support OEM Remote 3x lock. The Blue LED does blick once and twice when locking and unlocking. So I disabled  D1 and left C1 enabled. Do I need anything else enabled? Like the datalink protocal?

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I've looked over and over and can't find a wire similar to what you're saying. But it has to support it since it is the only thing it supports, it doesn't come with an aftermarket remote.

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It does have a Door Lock Plug, 3 wires blue red green. Perhaps I need to hook one of these wires up to the lock wire?

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The remote starter does support OEM Remote 3x lock. The Blue LED does blick once and twice when locking and unlocking. So I disabled  D1 and left C1 enabled. Do I need anything else enabled? Like the datalink protocal?

Blue LED flashing is a good sign. What model remote starter? There is probably just an option to enable remote start on 3xlock.

It does have a Door Lock Plug, 3 wires blue red green. Perhaps I need to hook one of these wires up to the lock wire?

Pretty sure these are lock and unlock analog outputs.

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nevermind, saw you have an RS00-G5

 

EVO-ALL datalink enable option F2. (leave C1 - OEM remote monitoring enabled also)

RS00 options to change

• option 5, Dataport protocol - OFA series
• option 17, OEM Interface - 3 pulses

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That makes sense, but unfortunately that didn't help :(

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there's a green wire on the RS00, that's the analog external trigger. Take some shielding off the tip of the wire and triple tap it to bare metal. See if it starts this way.

If starting from the OEM remote is not working through datalink, you would have to connect that green wire to the vehicles door lock motor lock wire.

When testing, make sure all doors and hood are properly closed. The remote starter will not work if any of those are open.

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I dont see a green wire, here's the diagram. Actually, I see that the red 3 pin plug has a green wire on it.

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Made progress, it tried to do some stuff and the RS00 is giving error saying issue with hood switch, so I'll take a look at that tomorrow. Hopefully once I get that figured out I'll be good haha, thanks again!

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Make sure the hood closed lol (you would be surprised)

You can disable option A11 in the evo-all also. If the vehicle does not have a factory hood switch, it may cause errors like that. (highly suggested to add a hood switch afterwards if this is the case)

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No luck with the hood switch. Not sure how it could be an issue since I'm not grounding it. When I touch the green wire to ground the RS00 clicks twice each time. The LED is still blinking twice. But when I unplug the power for theh RS00 and plug it back in, in hopes of resetting it, I tap the green wire twice and it appears the car goes to on but by the third tap it shuts off and I get that double flash again for hood switch. I'm at a loss.

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I also opened the hood and closed it again. As well as disabled A11. It's consistent now. I unplug the RS00, the led stops flashing, tap the green wire, door locks, tap again, locks again, tap again, car turns on then shuts off right after and double flash from there. But once the led flashes, each tap just clicks the RS00. I'm wondering if the double flash(hood switch error) is coming from the car or the RS. So strange.

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There is no reason you cant get 3xlock start through data (without needing that green wire) since you told me the blue led flashs once on every lock press. Try this. With C1 enabled, the EVO would see the 3 presses and tell the RS00 through datalink that, "hey man, this guy pressed his lock button 3 times so start the car". :D

 

• In the remote starter, Enable Option 5 - datalink Fortin/SL  (sorry, i made you change it earlier). Also make sure option 17 is really set to 3 pulses. 
• In the EVO-ALL, enable F1 - Fortin. 

 

now try remote starting with 3 xlock from the factory remote with all doors closed. Don't connect that green wire anywhere. If the remote starter does engage, the RED led on the EVO will turn on. 

 

Note about hood trigger. If the EVO see's a hood open status on the vehicles can-bus, it will tell the remote starter that the hood is open through datalink. 

 

One last thing. the only connections necessary for remote start are what is in the evo-all guide (except for the dotted lines). If anything else is connected from the RS00 to the car, remove it for now. Change ground lcoations also.

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You da man! I was able to start the car! Tried a few times to confirm as well. One thing I noticed, which may be because of the car itself. I'm not able to shut off the car with 3x lock or PTS button. Only brakes. Which means I can't just drive away once it is remote started either. I notice on the last page of the instructions it says car will shut off when the door is open.

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Honda, Acura, Toyota, Lexus push-to-start vehicles need to shut down on door open. 

The proper procedure to test is to do what would normally happen.

1. All doors must be closed and locked (like if the has been parked all night)
2. Remote start the car.
3. Unlock and open the doors. The car will shut down once you press the brake (not on door open with an Acura TL, just did one of these cars). You can have it shut down on door open though by enabling option D3 in the evo-all.

If the doors are opened while testing teh remote start system, weird things will happen when it comes to take-over. 

I'm not able to shut off the car with 3x lock or PTS button. 

PTS button has to do with the fact you are in the car when testing. The whole smartkey system is off while remote started.

not being able to shut with 3x lock is something i did not think about!! We cannot monitor the factory remotes while the engine is running on most Honda/Acura vehicles (oem remotes do not work while the engine is running, but the button on the door does).... You can see this by looking at the blue led on the evo while it is remote started. Just press the lock buttons of the remote, the blue led will not be flashing. If we cannot detect the lock commands, we cannot tell the remote starter to shut off.